inteller Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08 Tulsa, OK | yeah, but protected speech from the government. Last time I checked protected speech only lives in the realm of the government. | » · 2007-07-03 13:20:32 · |
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| GujuGuy67
join:2003-07-28 Garland, TX | Re: yeah, but protected speech from the government.
... yup. However, I suspect Exxon or these other companies that have
been parodied pressured the host into pulling the plug with threats,
etc. | » · 2007-07-03 13:22:02 · |
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join:2002-10-02 | Re: yeah, but protected speech from the government. its tough finding an isp that doesnt immediately bend over for companies like exxon. | » · 2007-07-03 17:09:12 · |
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join:2000-01-17 Earth | Re: yeah, but protected speech from the government. Bring on the EFF... Exxon has a lot of money. They should be relieved of some of it (And the ISP too) for pulling this crap. | » · 2007-07-03 14:49:00 · |
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join:2007-05-16 Chicago, IL | Re: yeah, but protected speech from the government. any money taken out of exxons pockets will be replenished via the price at the pump! | » · 2007-07-03 16:28:21 · |
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join:2005-01-01 | Re: yeah, but protected speech from the government. So what? I'd take free speech over cheap gas any day. -- 144 145 145 172 040 156 165 164 163 | » · 2007-07-03 16:38:38 · |
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The ISP should foot the bill for the legal fight? Do you realize the
only winners in the situation are the lawyers. Exxon could run this ISP
out of business via legal fees.
Let's day this customer is a
$100/mo customer. That barely buys you an hour of time with a decent
lawyer. How much should they spend to defend this?
They should
have handled it a little better like "Hey guys we got this letter and
were not going to fight it. You need to find a new hosting company with
bigger pockets." Instead of killing their accounts abruptly. | » · 2007-07-03 17:08:09 · |
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| | stufried Premium join:2003-10-13 | Re: uh, how about nearlyfreespeech.net?
The problem, as I understand it, is that the friggin DCMA protects ISPs
who react to take down letter in good faith, but not ones who don't.
There needs to be a tort for bad faith take down letters. | » · 2007-07-03 13:49:30 · |
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kapil The Kapil
join:2000-04-26 Chicago, IL | I'll host them on my offshore server. At no charge. Someone give me their contact info. | » · 2007-07-03 13:34:26 · |
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footballdude
join:2002-08-13 Imperial, MO | parody
Too often, someone says something spiteful and mean about someone else
and then retreats and says it was parody. Of course, an organization
like Exxon ought to ignore stuff like this. Who cares about a rogue
website? | » · 2007-07-03 13:48:47 · |
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lesopp
join:2001-06-27 Land O Lakes, FL | Alrighty then..
As I understand it, their products (i.e, their videos) are based on
pretexting and not all that different than what was done by HP. Why
aren't the Dems dragging them into hearings like they did HP? | » · 2007-07-03 13:55:04 · |
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News Guy join:2000-03-02 | Re: Alrighty then.. They're pretending to be fictional powerful people who work for major companies, not pretending to be real people. | » · 2007-07-03 13:57:18 · |
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join:2007-04-11 Louisville, KY ·Vonage ·Insight Cable
| Re: Alrighty then.. said by Karl :They're pretending to be fictional powerful people who work for major companies, not pretending to be real people. What
a sad day in the world when parody is no longer acceptable. I think it
speaks volumes about the companies/individuals in question when they
"doth protest too loudly". Must get under their skin... | » · 2007-07-03 14:24:43 · |
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join:2000-07-20 Dayton, OH clubs:
| Hmmmm... Sounds like they are a little embarrassed that they actually thought at first that The Yes Men had a viable idea.
"Yes! We can just turn the dead bodies from our original product into our next product"!
quote: On
June 14, 2007, the Yes Men acted during Canada's largest oil conference
in Calgary, Alberta, posing as ExxonMobil and National Petroleum
Council (NPC) representatives. In front of more than 300 oilmen, the
NPC was expected to deliver the long-awaited conclusions of a study
commissioned by U.S. Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman. The NPC is headed
by former ExxonMobil CEO Lee Raymond, who is also the chair of the
study.
In the actual speech, the "NPC rep" announced that
current U.S. and Canadian energy policies (notably the massive,
carbon-intensive exploitation of Alberta's oil sands, and the
development of liquid coal) are increasing the chances of huge global
calamities. But he reassured the audience that in the worst case
scenario, the oil industry could "keep fuel flowing" by transforming
the billions of people who would die into oil.
The project,
called Vivoleum would work in perfect synergy with the continued
expansion of fossil fuel production. The oilmen listened to the lecture
with attention, and then lit "commemorative candles" supposedly made of
Vivoleum obtained from the flesh of an "Exxon janitor" who died as a
result of cleaning up a toxic spill. The audience only reacted when the
janitor, in a video tribute, announced that he wished to be transformed
into candles after his death.
Unbelievable. | » · 2007-07-03 14:39:58 · |
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join:2003-12-08 Tulsa, OK | Re: Hmmmm... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Oh man is this on YouTube somewhere? -- "WHEN THE LAUGH TRACK STARTS THEN THE FUN STARTS!" | » · 2007-07-03 15:11:42 · |
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join:2000-01-17 Earth | ROFL | » · 2007-07-03 15:48:19 · |
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xerxes3642
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This isn't a free speech issue. Since your speech is via a corporate
megaphone, they can turn it off when they want. But no government runs
an isp that we can be guaranteed would protect free speech, so what are
the alternatives? I would hope this company would fair poorly in a decision to pick an isp in the future. | » · 2007-07-03 14:51:05 · |
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| Yauch
join:2005-06-24
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Very true, The Yes Men exercised their rights of free speech through
parody, Exxon exercised their rights of free speech through threats and
Broadview Networks exercised their free speech by caving under pressure
and not understanding how free speech works.
It's like a big free speech party with free speech streamers and free speech cake for everyone.
Why
anyone would do business with an ISP or hosting company that bows to
any generic request for removal, is beyond me. I think I'll call up
Level 3 and request that google be removed from their network. I find
it's multicolor design offensive. | » · 2007-07-03 17:12:57 · |
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