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ISP Forgets Parody Is Protected Speech
Yes Men find themselves hostless for picking on Exxon...
Posted 2007-07-03 13:43:48 by Karl · tags: legal consumers business

Parody activists The Yes Men have made a career out of pretending to be powerful people at major events (see their recent film) and have frequently angered companies by setting up parody and satirical websites in their names. Last week, they had their hosting and e-mail service terminated (via Techdirt) by their ISP for picking on Exxon. The ISP in question (Broadview Networks) made the group scrub all references to Exxon before they'd turn their e-mail service back on. The group is looking for a new host that understands that parody is protected free speech.

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inteller
Sociopaths always win.


join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK

yeah, but protected speech from the government.

Last time I checked protected speech only lives in the realm of the government.
» · 2007-07-03 13:20:32 · Reply to this

GujuGuy67

join:2003-07-28
Garland, TX

Re: yeah, but protected speech from the government.

... yup. However, I suspect Exxon or these other companies that have been parodied pressured the host into pulling the plug with threats, etc.
» · 2007-07-03 13:22:02 · Reply to this

CoxCable4
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Re: yeah, but protected speech from the government.

its tough finding an isp that doesnt immediately bend over for companies like exxon.
» · 2007-07-03 17:09:12 · Reply to this

badmagicnumber
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No, the issue is different.

What basically happened is Exxon got these guys turned off because they did not like the parody website, but said website parody is completely legal and Exxon has no right to request that it be shutdown.
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» · 2007-07-03 14:15:06 · Reply to this

KrK
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join:2000-01-17
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Re: yeah, but protected speech from the government.

Bring on the EFF... Exxon has a lot of money. They should be relieved of some of it (And the ISP too) for pulling this crap.
» · 2007-07-03 14:49:00 · Reply to this

S_engineer

join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL

Re: yeah, but protected speech from the government.

any money taken out of exxons pockets will be replenished via the price at the pump!
» · 2007-07-03 16:28:21 · Reply to this

asdjf


join:2005-01-01

Re: yeah, but protected speech from the government.

So what? I'd take free speech over cheap gas any day.
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» · 2007-07-03 16:38:38 · Reply to this

battleop

join:2005-09-28
Ringgold, GA

The ISP should foot the bill for the legal fight? Do you realize the only winners in the situation are the lawyers. Exxon could run this ISP out of business via legal fees.

Let's day this customer is a $100/mo customer. That barely buys you an hour of time with a decent lawyer. How much should they spend to defend this?

They should have handled it a little better like "Hey guys we got this letter and were not going to fight it. You need to find a new hosting company with bigger pockets." Instead of killing their accounts abruptly.
» · 2007-07-03 17:08:09 · Reply to this

morbo
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uh, how about nearlyfreespeech.net?


seems logical.

also, screw broadview networks.
» · 2007-07-03 13:23:48 · Reply to this

woody7

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Re: uh, how about nearlyfreespeech.net?

hmmmm....
I would be looking for a good lawyer
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» · 2007-07-03 13:34:38 · Reply to this

stufried
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Re: uh, how about nearlyfreespeech.net?

The problem, as I understand it, is that the friggin DCMA protects ISPs who react to take down letter in good faith, but not ones who don't.

There needs to be a tort for bad faith take down letters.
» · 2007-07-03 13:49:30 · Reply to this

kapil
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join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL

I'll host them

on my offshore server. At no charge. Someone give me their contact info.
» · 2007-07-03 13:34:26 · Reply to this

ctceo

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edit: Tuesday July 3rd, @02:27PM

Re: I'll host them

people@theyesmen.org

Try to start your offer there.
Let me know if you get anywhere.
» · 2007-07-03 14:27:35 · Reply to this

fancydancer

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Re: I'll host them

How are you going to contact them via email if their ISP shut them down?
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» · 2007-07-03 16:58:55 · Reply to this

ctceo

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edit: Tuesday July 3rd, @07:11PM

Re: I'll host them

The server shows that an e-mail from me went through ok. No not-deliverable message.
» · 2007-07-03 19:10:36 · Reply to this

footballdude

join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO

parody

Too often, someone says something spiteful and mean about someone else and then retreats and says it was parody. Of course, an organization like Exxon ought to ignore stuff like this. Who cares about a rogue website?
» · 2007-07-03 13:48:47 · Reply to this

lesopp

join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL

Alrighty then..

As I understand it, their products (i.e, their videos) are based on pretexting and not all that different than what was done by HP. Why aren't the Dems dragging them into hearings like they did HP?
» · 2007-07-03 13:55:04 · Reply to this

Karl

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Re: Alrighty then..

They're pretending to be fictional powerful people who work for major companies, not pretending to be real people.
» · 2007-07-03 13:57:18 · Reply to this

satellite68

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Re: Alrighty then..

said by Karl See Profile :

They're pretending to be fictional powerful people who work for major companies, not pretending to be real people.
What a sad day in the world when parody is no longer acceptable. I think it speaks volumes about the companies/individuals in question when they "doth protest too loudly". Must get under their skin...
» · 2007-07-03 14:24:43 · Reply to this

cabana
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Re: Alrighty then..

wow ... powerful oil executives getting their own way...I am sooooo shocked!
» · 2007-07-03 14:35:08 · Reply to this

Halo5


join:2000-07-20
Dayton, OH
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Hmmmm...

Sounds like they are a little embarrassed that they actually thought at first that The Yes Men had a viable idea.

"Yes! We can just turn the dead bodies from our original product into our next product"!

quote:
On June 14, 2007, the Yes Men acted during Canada's largest oil conference in Calgary, Alberta, posing as ExxonMobil and National Petroleum Council (NPC) representatives. In front of more than 300 oilmen, the NPC was expected to deliver the long-awaited conclusions of a study commissioned by U.S. Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman. The NPC is headed by former ExxonMobil CEO Lee Raymond, who is also the chair of the study.

In the actual speech, the "NPC rep" announced that current U.S. and Canadian energy policies (notably the massive, carbon-intensive exploitation of Alberta's oil sands, and the development of liquid coal) are increasing the chances of huge global calamities. But he reassured the audience that in the worst case scenario, the oil industry could "keep fuel flowing" by transforming the billions of people who would die into oil.

The project, called Vivoleum would work in perfect synergy with the continued expansion of fossil fuel production. The oilmen listened to the lecture with attention, and then lit "commemorative candles" supposedly made of Vivoleum obtained from the flesh of an "Exxon janitor" who died as a result of cleaning up a toxic spill. The audience only reacted when the janitor, in a video tribute, announced that he wished to be transformed into candles after his death.
Unbelievable.
» · 2007-07-03 14:39:58 · Reply to this

inteller
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Re: Hmmmm...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Oh man is this on YouTube somewhere?
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» · 2007-07-03 15:11:42 · Reply to this

ArgleBargle

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Re: Hmmmm...

said by inteller See Profile :

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Oh man is this on YouTube somewhere?

»video.google.com/videoplay?docid···ee+trade
» · 2007-07-03 17:16:57 · Reply to this

KrK
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join:2000-01-17
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ROFL
» · 2007-07-03 15:48:19 · Reply to this

xerxes3642


join:2006-02-24
Saint Charles, MO

corporate censorship

This isn't a free speech issue. Since your speech is via a corporate megaphone, they can turn it off when they want. But no government runs an isp that we can be guaranteed would protect free speech, so what are the alternatives?
I would hope this company would fair poorly in a decision to pick an isp in the future.
» · 2007-07-03 14:51:05 · Reply to this

Yauch


join:2005-06-24

Re: corporate censorship

Very true, The Yes Men exercised their rights of free speech through parody, Exxon exercised their rights of free speech through threats and Broadview Networks exercised their free speech by caving under pressure and not understanding how free speech works.

It's like a big free speech party with free speech streamers and free speech cake for everyone.

Why anyone would do business with an ISP or hosting company that bows to any generic request for removal, is beyond me. I think I'll call up Level 3 and request that google be removed from their network. I find it's multicolor design offensive.
» · 2007-07-03 17:12:57 · Reply to this

Rogue Wolf
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The wave of the future!

Threatening hosts of parody websites, suing magazines who publish negative reviews of their products... soon it'll be illegal to say anything but nice things about our corporate masters!


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And find the Demon within thee.
» · 2007-07-03 16:27:09 · Reply to this
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