Matthew Ross says,"I just logged on! Hi everybody!" (Wed 3:59pm)

chris smith says,"I just logged on! Hi everybody!" (Wed 4:00pm)

Mark Achbar says,"I just logged on! Hi everybody!" (Wed 4:00pm)

Mark Achbar says,"Synchronize watches and on my count, detonate." (Wed 4:01pm)

Matthew Ross says,"Hello Chris and Mark. I believe we're still waiting for Jennifer, and maybe the rest of your respective teams will be able to join in at some point. But I guess we can start now." (Wed 4:01pm)

chris smith says,"fine" (Wed 4:02pm)

Mark Achbar says,"sure. Hi guys." (Wed 4:02pm)

chris says,"I just logged on! Hi everybody!" (Wed 4:03pm)

chris says,"hello - matt are you starting us off?" (Wed 4:03pm)

Jennifer Abbott says,"I just logged on! Hi everybody!" (Wed 4:04pm)

chris says,"hello. " (Wed 4:04pm)

Joel bakan says,"I just logged on! Hi everybody!" (Wed 4:04pm)

Joel bakan says,"Hi everyone, here I am. joel" (Wed 4:05pm)

Jennifer Abbott says,"Is everyone here?" (Wed 4:05pm)

chris says,"i am here - but haven't seem anything from matt or mark lately." (Wed 4:05pm)

Mark Achbar says,"Hi Jen and Joel,Hey I was looking at the Yes Men website and they're using our patented Bento Box silhouetted business people look." (Wed 4:05pm)

Jennifer Abbott says,"Who created them first?" (Wed 4:06pm)

chris says,"i have nothing to do with that. " (Wed 4:06pm)

Matthew Ross says,"Yes, I'm statring. As I';d mentioned earlier during our disastrous attempt at a conference call was that I'm really intersted in having the filmmaker of the two films speak to each other as much as possible. Maybe a good way to start would be get a sense from each of the filmmakers on the topic of poltically oriented, specifcally, left-wing politcally oriented documentaries, and how they seem to have realy offered an alternative to maintream media programming. Was that a motivation for either of you?" (Wed 4:07pm)

Mark Achbar says,"I think they're "the result," as Goodyear Tire CEO Sam Gibara says, "of modern capitalism"." (Wed 4:07pm)

chris says,"it just seems hard not to react to what's going on in the world right now." (Wed 4:08pm)

Matthew Ross says,"I just logged on! Hi everybody!" (Wed 4:08pm)

Jennifer Abbott says,"I don't think you can jump all the hurdles it takes to make a doc without believing in it - just wouldn't have the staying power." (Wed 4:09pm)

chris says,"in the case of the yes men - i guess our motivation was purely just trying to document the activities of the yes men - so it was less of an attempt to search for a political film as it was being presented with an opportunity to document something that we found to be extrodinary." (Wed 4:10pm)

Joel bakan says,"People sense there is a lot wrong with the world - terrorism environmental catastrophe, and son. they are deluged with stories and facts, but everything seems almost random. There is, I think, a desire to understand the broader structural forces at play - they don't get this on the news, and certainly not in mainstream entertainment. Documentary films try to piece things together, and, recently, they have been doing it in entertaining humorous and cheeky ways. Information, analysis, perspective, and entertainment are a powerful mix, and there is, I believe, a real thirst for it among the public." (Wed 4:11pm)

Mark Achbar says,"just a boring technical interjection, is anyone else having the problem of not being able to keep the last comment visible on the screen?" (Wed 4:12pm)

Matthew Ross says,"I was having that issue, but if you log off and then back on it seems to fix itself." (Wed 4:12pm)

Joel bakan says,"Bye! I just logged off!" (Wed 4:12pm)

chris says,"i am alright - but i wonder if i am getting all of the comments..." (Wed 4:13pm)

Mark Achbar says,"Bye! I just logged off!" (Wed 4:13pm)

joel Bakan says,"I just logged on! Hi everybody!" (Wed 4:13pm)

Mark Achbar says,"Bye! I just logged off!" (Wed 4:13pm)

Jennifer Abbott says,"Without question, documentary or the non-fiction film as it's being called, just a note that it's so popular now that we're changing our language around it, is satisfying a need for depth and analysis that people seem to be craving.I want to know if you feel that McDonald's is going to come after you for Reburger. Is that fair use? It seems they might feel it borders on slander. Anyway, you're brave." (Wed 4:13pm)

Mark Achbar says,"I just logged on! Hi everybody!" (Wed 4:15pm)

chris says,"i guess overall it seems really exciting at the moment because people do seem really enthusiastic about these films. i think people do want to be informed - it's just sometimes it seems like a full time job to keep up or get good information." (Wed 4:15pm)

Mark Achbar says,"Bye! I just logged off!" (Wed 4:16pm)

mark achbar says,"I just logged on! Hi everybody!" (Wed 4:17pm)

chris says,"sorry - i seem to have a lag and jenifers post didn't show up until after i sent the last one." (Wed 4:17pm)

chris says,"i am not sure what you call it - but it was something we documented. the lawyers claim that we still have free speech in this country - so i guess we'll find out." (Wed 4:18pm)

Matthew Ross says,"In both of your films, as well as other potilcally oriented docs (i.e. Mr. Moore), what seems to be the difference between them and more traditional is that they do have a strong element of entertainment value, namely, humor plays a part in the storytelling, and in the case of the Yes Men, how they go about enacting change. For the COPORATION flmmakers, was it your intention all along to have a humrous tone or that come about later on in the filmmaking? And for Chris, how would ou describe the way the Yes Men balance their more serious political goals with their the pranksterish aspects (i.e. the giant inflatable penis)?" (Wed 4:19pm)

Matthew Ross says,"p.s. excuse the typos." (Wed 4:19pm)

mark achbar says,"My attitude is: If I can't laugh, I don't want to be part of your revolution." (Wed 4:20pm)

mark achbar says,"I just want to know how the Yes Men filmmaking team kept straight faces while shooting." (Wed 4:21pm)

mark achbar says,"Bye! I just logged off!" (Wed 4:21pm)

chris says,"i think what they are trying to show people is that you can try to make a difference and make it an enjoyable experience at the same time." (Wed 4:22pm)

joel Bakan says,"Humour was always a paramount concern for me, and I know for Mark and Jen as well. From the time we first conceived of the project - and its psychopath idea - we were interested in funny, edgy, absurd sorts of material. the idea was to alienate people from the normalcy of their world, and humour is a really powerful way to do that. " (Wed 4:22pm)

Mark Achbar says,"I just logged on! Hi everybody!" (Wed 4:22pm)

Jennifer Abbott says,"For me humour takes one off a pedastal, and says, these maybe deadly serious subjects but one of the best things about being human is laughing, and so let's use it so that we feel a little less despair. And you can have the best ideas in the world but in film, unless they're engaging and emotionally reach somewhere in the viewer, they aren't going to go anywhere." (Wed 4:22pm)

chris says,"even though it may not come across in the film - i think the fear of getting arrested or chased out of these places kept us from losing it." (Wed 4:23pm)

Mark Achbar says,"Did you consider including yourselves as filmmakers in the film?" (Wed 4:24pm)

joel Bakan says,"One of the problems with the left, at least in the post-war period, was the serious and earnest, almost pious, ways that people approached criticism and activism. If you go back to earlier parts of the 20th century, humor was actually an important part of politics - I'm thinking for example, of the agit-prop theater of the 1930s. This latest wave of documentary film making is reviving that tradition to some extent." (Wed 4:25pm)

Matthew Ross says,"I just logged on! Hi everybody!" (Wed 4:25pm)

chris says,"no - we generally felt like we were trying to tell their story - so left it at that." (Wed 4:26pm)

Jennifer Abbott says,"With the Yes Men, I love the satirized ploys, but interestingly I almost think the talk about ending the WTO as we know it is most effective in terms of questioning that institution. Maybe it's when that was announced by a Reformer in Canadian Parliament that was so good. Being Canadian and loving it when our Canadian right make fools of themselves." (Wed 4:26pm)

Mark Achbar says,"The incoherence of this transcript should be good for a few laughs." (Wed 4:26pm)

chris says,"yes we might as well just type random thoughts on film and politcs." (Wed 4:27pm)

Jennifer Abbott says,"I really agree with Joel around the perceived earnestness of the left and our desire to escape that. I think that's what I was trying to get at re: getting off the pedastal..." (Wed 4:27pm)

Mark Achbar says,"I think it was Lorne Michaels who said, "It's the God-given right of Canadians to fuck with American politics."" (Wed 4:28pm)

chris says,"yes as there aren't enough people doing it here. another case of outsourcing." (Wed 4:29pm)

Jennifer Abbott says,"Yes, it's the least we can do given how we are impacted while being denied the American franchise. " (Wed 4:29pm)

chris says,"i guess overall this idea of being on the left seems strange when you are just trying to present information." (Wed 4:30pm)

Andy Bichlbaum says,"I just logged on! Hi everybody!" (Wed 4:30pm)

Andy Bichlbaum says,"Hi there, sorry for the lateness! Oops...." (Wed 4:31pm)

chris says,"hello andy - just write random thoughts on anything that's on your mind." (Wed 4:31pm)

Andy Bichlbaum says,"Well, the FBI is closing in. No, seriously. See www.rtmark.com/CAE/. That's about all that's on my mind at the moment. Not so random, but oh well." (Wed 4:31pm)

joel Bakan says,"Just presenting information is a highly subversive act in a culture where legitimacy and power are defended with myths. The left has always been trying to present information - Marx's Das Kapital for example - and being chastised as ideologues for doing so." (Wed 4:32pm)

Mark Achbar says,"Nice plug. While you're at it, check out www.thecorporation.com" (Wed 4:32pm)

chris says,"i can't see how the terrorists were able to organize anything using chat rooms - this seems so chaotic." (Wed 4:32pm)

Andy Bichlbaum says,"Good lord!" (Wed 4:33pm)

chris says,"do you have another question matt." (Wed 4:33pm)

Matthew Ross says,"Chris,given what's going on now, have the yes men focused more efforts on u.s. issues rather than international ones?" (Wed 4:33pm)

Jennifer Abbott says,"It's not my intent, and I think I could safely say it is not Joel or Mark's, to just present information. If I that was my main motivation, I would probably have become a journalist. I think our goals are about shifting culture, making the familiar appear strange, getting viewers to ask questions that aren't being asked and altogether just trying to turn everything upside down..." (Wed 4:34pm)

chris says,"fine - so are there things that are not factual in your film?" (Wed 4:34pm)

Jennifer Abbott says,"Hi Andy, We met at Sundance. Have you still not been arrested for anything? " (Wed 4:35pm)

Mark Achbar says,"Our films do represent two different aesthetics, one is mainly cinema verite, the other more of an essay/construction with occasional verite elements." (Wed 4:35pm)

Andy Bichlbaum says,"I can answer that about the Yes Men and U.S... Answer is yes, both by choice and by necessity. We've set out to use our talents against Bush, though at the moment we've found ourselves conscripted by the current situation described at length at www.rtmark.com/CAE/. Basically, the FBI has decided to target this artist. He's going up before a grand jury in Buffalo on June 15. He's a close friend. This is very U.S., very now, very unfortunate." (Wed 4:36pm)

Mark Achbar says,"It is not a fact that starving people in Bangladesh are waving flags that say "Come and rescue me by paying me 10 cents an hour."" (Wed 4:37pm)

Andy Bichlbaum says,"Wow, this really *is* chaotic. One big nonsequitur..." (Wed 4:37pm)

Mark Achbar says,"What can people do to support him?" (Wed 4:38pm)

chris says,"i guess one of the things that attracted me to the yes men is tha they are very accessible in their approach and message. " (Wed 4:39pm)

Andy Bichlbaum says,"I just logged on! Hi everybody!" (Wed 4:40pm)

Andy Bichlbaum says,"I'm just writing the answer to that into a press release. Copy and paste:Financial donations:The CAE Defense Fund has so far received over 200 donations in amounts ranging from $5 to $400. This is a wonderful outpouring of sympathy, but a drop in the bucket compared to the potential costs of the case. To make a donation, please visit http://www.caedefensefund.org/Letters of support:Letters and petitions of support from biologists, artists, and others, especially those in positions of responsibility at prominAXnt institutions or companies, could be very useful. See http://www.caedefensefund.org for a sample letter of support.Legal offers and letters of support:If you are a lawyer, offers of pro bono support or offers to write amicus briefs would be very helpful." (Wed 4:40pm)

chris says,"Bye! I just logged off!" (Wed 4:40pm)

Matthew Ross says,"For Andy: are you concerned that given the rising of the Yes Men it will be/has been more difficult for you to infiltrate these organziaitons Or are they just as defenseless as they've always been?" (Wed 4:40pm)

chris says,"I just logged on! Hi everybody!" (Wed 4:41pm)

Andy Bichlbaum says,"Matthew: Right now we're so busy trying to deal with this FBI USA PATRIOT Act situation that I don't know what I think about anything else. I'm sure there are other important questions in the world, but not sure what they are." (Wed 4:42pm)

Mark Achbar says,"The Yes Men are unequivocally brilliant. We gave serious consideration to including them as examples of anti-corporate culture jammers in The Corporation, only our friend Jill Sharpe was making a film on culture jamming (Culture Jam) and she had shot with the Yes Men and it felt like stepping on her turf. They ended up on the cutting room floor of that film. " (Wed 4:42pm)

chris says,"did that film come out?" (Wed 4:43pm)

Mark Achbar says,"Yes, it's out and it's great." (Wed 4:43pm)

Jennifer Abbott says,"I didn't know that the Yes Men, I guess before they were called the Yes Men, were responsible for one of my favourite acts of culture jamming, the barbie voice switcheroo. But I don't remember seeing that in the version at Sundance, and there were several other things that seemed to have changed in the version I got in the mail (which I watched with my four year old). Is this the final version for theatrical release? " (Wed 4:45pm)

chris says,"i hope that's not the fate of these two films. we try to keep up on what's out there and never heard of it. i think it's imperative that people see your film. i watched the preview tape with someone here nad it blew their mind. it has one of those infectious qualities where people want to get active - even if just talking to other people about the film." (Wed 4:45pm)

chris says,"wehave continued to make more changes since sundance - but the majority of changes happened between toronto and sundance. it's a much better film now." (Wed 4:47pm)

Joel Bakan says,"I just logged on! Hi everybody!" (Wed 4:47pm)

Matthew Ross says,"For Joel, Mark and Jennifer: How would your compare the style/approach to presenting evidence along with articulating strong, (partisan) opinions on those facts to the work of Michael Moore? And would you describe this film as a work of agit-prop? Is there a traditional of filmmaking you feel you're a part of?" (Wed 4:48pm)

Matthew Ross says,"I meant tradition, excuse the error." (Wed 4:49pm)

Mark Achbar says,"Bye! I just logged off!" (Wed 4:51pm)

chris says,"Bye! I just logged off!" (Wed 4:51pm)

chris says,"I just logged on! Hi everybody!" (Wed 4:51pm)

Matthew Ross says,"Chris: Before the Yes Men, your work didn't deal expressly with political topics. Have you decided yet on your next film, and will you continue to deal with policital subject matter?" (Wed 4:52pm)

chris says,"did the corporation people respond to their question? i only ask becasue i am wondering if i am seeing all the posts." (Wed 4:54pm)

Joel Bakan says,"Our approach is very different than Michael Moore's, needless to say. He is a character in his films; our central character is the corporation itself. Our interviews were not confrontational in the way his are. We gave our subjects lots of room to make their points, there were no surprises. And we were trying to make a case about the corporation's institutional nature and consequences. Our film is an essay, an argument if you will, which makes it different. It's definitely agit (ating), but I don't think its prop(aganda)." (Wed 4:54pm)

Jennifer Abbott says,"Michael Moore's approach is just so different, and when there are comparisons between The Corporation and his work, I think it is the fact that both seem to have popular appeal. That's how I take "The Next Bowling for Columbine" tagline we use from The Globe and Mail. Canada does have a strong documentary tradition which in some ways I feel a part of - but the National Film Board approach was in the past infused with many techniques we don't use: omnipotent narrator, more verite, more didactics etc. I think The Corporation is stylistically a combination of Mark and my aesthetic, and for myself, I don't think I draw from any one source. " (Wed 4:54pm)

mark achbar says,"I just logged on! Hi everybody!" (Wed 4:55pm)

mark achbar says,"sorry i'm not keeping up here, i'm spending about 95% of my time just scrolling down and re-scrolling down just to keep your comments on screen." (Wed 4:55pm)

Jennifer Abbott says,"Nice last line, Joel." (Wed 4:56pm)

mark achbar says,"For me, form follows function. I think there are similarities between Manufacturing Consent and The Corporation, but as Jen says, this film is the result of a combination of our aesthetics, and I would include Joel's sensibility too, as a response to the challenges of this particular project. " (Wed 4:59pm)

Matthew Ross says,"Joel, Mark and Jennifer, do you take issue with Moore's approach to his subjects?" (Wed 5:00pm)

chris says,"nothing is set for a next project yet - although we have been filming a little more with the yes men. i really take things as they come and react more to my surroundings than anything else. i am drawn to political subject matter - but basically look for good stories that are about issues that are important to me." (Wed 5:02pm)

Jennifer Abbott says,"I was just meaning in terms of the actual form of the film, a construction of sound and image, apart from content. Depends what one thinks of when one trys to define a film's "style"" (Wed 5:02pm)

Joel Bakan says,"Our approach is different, but I value what he does, as I value the approach in the Yes Men and in Supersize Me. What;s important is that people are finding different ways to be compelling, informative and entertaining around some of the most important issues facing the planet. " (Wed 5:03pm)

Jennifer Abbott says,"I don't take issue with his approach to subjects. I think part of Moore's brilliance is his appeal to so many people who might not otherwise be engaged with these issues. And of course humour on his part, and shame, heaped upon his victims, is all part of an engaging equation." (Wed 5:06pm)

chris says,"jennifer, joel, mark - have you had any reactions from people in the 'corporate' world?" (Wed 5:08pm)

Jennifer Abbott says,"My screen just went totally blank." (Wed 5:09pm)

Matthew Ross says,"trying logging off and then back on." (Wed 5:10pm)

mark achbar says,"When I was doing research in preparation for my interview with Michael, I watched every frame of film and video of his I could get my hands on (except Canadian Bacon--once was enough) and by the end of it all I thought he should get some kind of lifetime achievement award. The body of work is incredible, the range of issues he has addressed, and the repeated brilliance of his approaches to propularizing society's most vexing problems. You can quibble with strategies he employs from time to time, whether they are the most tasteful, or effective, but he goes on instinct. If anything, I would enjoy more analysis in his films, because he's clearly capable of it. Some of his work is problematic because in putting himself on the line as he does, he can come across as being the knight in shining armor who is going to save us all. But you know that he works with and supports all kinds of activist groups and unions and that he knows the value of solidarity. I have huge respect for the work." (Wed 5:10pm)

Jennifer Abbott says,"Bye! I just logged off!" (Wed 5:11pm)

Jennifer Abbott says,"I just logged on! Hi everybody!" (Wed 5:12pm)

Matthew Ross says,"Chris, would you agree with Mark's assessment of Moore?And do any of the CORPORATION filmmakers have an answer to Chris's question about the corporate reaction to your film?" (Wed 5:13pm)

Joel Bakan says,"I screened the film at a business school in Europe and then debated a panel of three CEOs. They didn't dispute its fundamental points. One thought it too emotional; they split on whether markets could provide solutions. But they respected the work. The Economist mag called the film "a surprisingly rational and cogent critique of capitalism's dominant institution" - or something like that - and the Wall Street Journal was not unkind to it. I just did a segment for Lou Dodds on CNN - so the business press is interested and surprisingly nice - considering the film's content and approach. If I were to generalize the business response, it would be something like what the Harvard Business Review said of my book - good at pointing out the problems but weak on solutions. " (Wed 5:15pm)

mark achbar says,"Depends how you define "the corporate world". In the business press, Canadian Business for example, one story's attitude was kind of "like it or not, here comes this analysis..." The Wall Street Journal (which gave us prominent placement on the cover of the B section) effectively said, "even though it's a totally grim portrait of the corporate world, for some strange reason, people are still really interested in seeing this film." My favorite was The Economist, which gave a favorable spin to its description of the film's content, and added "People on both sides of the globalisation debate should pay attention. Unlike much of the soggy thinking peddled by too many anti-globalisers, "The Corporation" is a surprisingly rational and coherent attack on capitalisms's most important institution. Now that's high praise.There have been surprisingly few vociferous attacks. There was one ideological rant in the Financial Post which described the film as an "evil, ugly and dishonest pack of lies". The writer failed to correct the film on any point of fact. " (Wed 5:16pm)

Matthew Ross says,"This may sound sound like a dumb question, but have you encountered any "good", large and/or publicy-owned corporations?" (Wed 5:18pm)

Jennifer Abbott says,"It was of interest to me when I read in the WSJ that Pfizer would not have agreed to participate had they known the corporation was to be compared to a psychopath. Of course their PR people had every oppotunity to ask us questions about our film and we didn't misrepresent ourselves. Otherwise, it would seem that those who've responded that I've known about, apart from one right wing paper, are surprised that it's not a "left wing diatribe." My father is a business person and I would frequently think about his possible responses to parts of the film as it was coming together. For me, that was one way I tried to make decisions that would keep the door open to the business world. He loves the film and sends out press releases to his colleagues. There seems to be the corporate insider open to engaging with these issues, those who know there are things that are wrong, and then there are those who just say, forget it, global warming is not linked to greenhouse gases, case closed, go away, as an example..." (Wed 5:20pm)

Joel Bakan says,"Some corporations are better than others, no doubt. Some are more interested in, and more creative in finding ways that they can do well by doing good. Ray Anderson's company is a good example from the film - he recycles and thus saves on waste disposal and raw materials, hence more profits. there is an envelope to be pushed but there is still an envelope. At the end of the day all decisions and actions of the corporation must be justified in bottom-line terms - even those aimed at doing 'good'. That is a profound limit on how much good they can do and how much harm they can avoid." (Wed 5:26pm)

Matthew Ross says,"Would I take that to be a "no" in terms of the companies you've encountered, but that there is hope for change because there are responsible, aware, open people at work within them?" (Wed 5:26pm)

Jennifer Abbott says,"I think Interface seems to moving in that direction. Their ultimate goal is to take responsibility for the lifecycle of their product, that is, take it back and recycle it when it's worn out. That idea which I think might have originated with Jeremy Rifkin, is of great interest because it is one way of making a corporation internalize something that could be a harm to the outside world. That said, it doesn't mean that that particular corporation doesn't have the inherent flaws that are pointed out in the filmn and that originate in Joel's book/ideas. " (Wed 5:27pm)

mark achbar says,"I'd say there's no such thing as a "good" publicly-traded corporation. They're not designed to do "good". They're constituted the same way. They must put profit above all else. If they don't they're breaking the law. Just because of the nature of the product they produce or the service they provide, some may be more or less environmentally benign. Internal policies may differ toward workers. Individuals within them may be more or less honest. But they exist for the same reason, and that is not to serve the public good. It's to serve their shareholder's best financial interests." (Wed 5:28pm)

Jennifer Abbott says,"I don't think our hope lies in the philosophies or epiphanies of individual corporate decision makers. As citizens we have no control over these. Our hope lies in having democratic control and accountability of an institution which was originally created to serve the public good. And if there's a constant subtext to our film, it is that the corporation is a legal construct, not graven in stone as Chomsky says, and as such, it can be reconstructed." (Wed 5:30pm)

Matthew Ross says,"Folks, Thanks so much for taking the time. Sorry if it's been a bit chaotic, but I think we've got some very good material for the article. And congratulations again on both fo your films. If there's anything you'd like to add after the session's over, please do so, now or later. This room will remain open, and I won't start editing for a few days. If you'd like to contact me directly, please do so: matthewmross@mac.com.Best,Matt" (Wed 5:31pm)

Joel Bakan says,"Yes, I believe there are responsible, good people who work within companies. the problem is that the institutional structure may encourage, even require that they do things they might have problems with in their role as citizens. It's kind of like hockey - on the ice you can do things to people that would get you two years in prison if you did them off the ice. There's a different moral system on the ice and I think that's true in a corporation too. A perfectly decent person can do some horrific things becasue that's the game he or she is a part of when running the corporation. But, yes, there is cause for hope - the corporation may require its operatives to suspend their humanity sometimes, but not to erase it." (Wed 5:31pm)

Jennifer Abbott says,"Good luck with The Yes Men! Hope it's a big theatrical success..." (Wed 5:33pm)

Jennifer Abbott says,"Bye! I just logged off!" (Wed 5:33pm)

chris says,"same to you." (Wed 5:33pm)

chris says,"Bye! I just logged off!" (Wed 5:33pm)

Joel Bakan says,"Bye! I just logged off!" (Wed 5:34pm)

mark achbar says,"It's not a question of the companies we've encountered. It a question of how is this institution legally constituted? Of course there's hope. There's hope in the fact that it was Ray Anderson's employees who prodded him into defining an environmental policy for his company. There's hope in the indomiitable spirit of our incredible cast of dissenting voices in The Corporation, people who will not relent in their activism, people like Vandana Shiva, Howard Zinn, Oscar Olivera, Noam Chomsky, Charles Kernaghan, Elaine Bernard, Michael Moore, Richard Grossman, Naomi Klein, Jane Akre and Steve Wilson. There's a light that shines through these people. And frankly, that same light shines through so many audiences I've watched the film with, people setting up information tables on the street oustside the theatres, people who tell us how they've been moved from apathy to action--that's what keeps me going." (Wed 5:37pm)

mark achbar says,"thanks. this was a pain, technically, but fun. bye everyone..." (Wed 5:38pm)

mark achbar says,"Oh, Matthew, can we edit our copy later please?" (Wed 5:39pm)

mark achbar says,"Bye! I just logged off!" (Wed 5:40pm)
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