The Monkey-Wrench Prank: An Interview With Tim DeChristopher

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Despite this reversal, DeChristopher was indicted in April on federal criminal charges of interfering with a government auction and making false representations. He faces up to five years in prison on each of the two counts and as much as $750,000 in fines. As his trial nears, DeChristopher and his lawyers hope to convince the judge to allow a "necessity defense," an unusual tactic in which they would argue that his actions were justified because of the moral imperative of stopping catastrophic climate change—and because all legal means of stopping the auction had been blocked by the Bush administration due to its cozy relationship with the oil and gas industry.

DeChristopher, who has pleaded not guilty, tracks the progress of his case on his website, bidder70.org. Recently, he spoke about how the Yes Men helped inspire his brief stint as an oil speculator and why the climate movement needs to stop having fun and start considering civil disobedience.

Mother Jones: Were you inspired by the Yes Men at all?


Tim DeChristopher: About a year before this auction, I was at a public hearing for a renewable energy standards bill at the state legislature, and the room was packed. People were flowing into the hallway, and the chairman of the committee asked how many people were there to support this bill, and 50 hands went up. Then he asked how many people were there to oppose this bill, and five lobbyists from the power companies raised their hands. And so he said, "Well, we don't have enough time for everyone and in the interest of fairness, let's take five people from each side." So all the lobbyists got to get their points across and only a tenth of the people, the citizens, did. The bill ended up getting shot down and I left really frustrated and upset. The person I was riding home with asked, "Have you ever heard of the Yes Men?" And I said no. So I looked them up and watched some of their videos and thought they were brilliant. Later that year I ended up walking into that auction and they said, "Are you here to be a bidder?" and I said, "Well, yes, I am," even though I hadn't planned that out at all. Having the model of the Yes Men—to take every opportunity to be that influential person who gets that right to speak and to influence our country—set the right example for me.


MJ: What's the current status of your case?


TD: September 25 was the first hearing and the judge gave us 30 days to basically make our entire case in writing about why we should be able to use the necessity defense. I feel as though we have a very strong case with the necessity defense. In a federal court they give four requirements that you have to answer in order to use that defense, and I think we have very strong evidence for each of those four points. A lot of what it came down to in that first hearing was the fourth point, which is that there have to be no legal alternatives that would lead to the same effect and that would avoid that harm. That was the thing that the prosecution really emphasized; it said that I should have just worked within the system and filed an objection and let the system work. The prosecutor actually said, "The political process always works," which I thought was really funny since he was talking about issues of oil drilling during the Bush administration.



MJ: Does the judge seem favorable to you?


TD: I'm told that he's a reasonable guy. During the first hearing he compared what I did to car bombing and said, "Well, if he thinks he can just do whatever he wants to stop climate change, what if he's concerned about emissions coming out of vehicles and he blows up a car with somebody in it? Isn't that exactly the same thing?" And we said, "No. That's not the same thing at all." I'm hoping that that didn't come from a preestablished notion about the nature of what I was doing and that it was more of an off-the-cuff comment.

MJ: Does the fact that the Obama administration came out against the leasing process help you?


TD: I really doubt it's something they would spend any political capital on to avoid prosecuting me. It's probably too far along in that process already. But it was definitely odd because I didn't get indicted until April and the new secretary of the interior, Ken Salazar, came out in February and announced that they were reversing as much of this auction as they could because it was illegitimate. So they made the conscious choice to prosecute me for standing in the way of something they already said was a crime. 



MJ: What first convinced you that nonviolent direct action was necessary to fight climate change?


TD: One of the epiphany moments was early 2008. I was at a symposium and ended up having a conversation with one of the IPCC officers, a woman who had won the Nobel Prize for her work on climate change. Privately she said to me, "There were things we could have done in the '80s, things we could have done in the '90s, but now it looks like it's probably too late." She said the IPCC couldn't come up with any politically feasible scenario in which we avoided all these worst-case consequences. And she literally put her hand on my shoulder and said, "I'm sorry my generation failed yours." That shattered me, and I went into a period of despair but also realized that if there's no politically feasible scenario that's going to get us there, then we have to change what's politically feasible.



MJ: I've heard you say that you don't think the environmental movement has been effective. Why do you think that is?


TD: I think the environmental movement has been focused on this path of incrementalism. I think part of that is because the climate movement grew out of the rest of the environmental movement, which focused on issues of wilderness preservation and wildlife preservation and more local issues. The climate movement adopted a lot of those strategies and tactics that weren't really appropriate for being translated into the goal of stopping climate change, where incrementalism is completely inappropriate because getting halfway to preventing the collapse of our civilization isn't really any better than being a quarter of the way or not there at all.