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[–]LonelyMachines[S] 44 points45 points  (41 children)

It is, in fact, a hoax. The whois information for the site is redacted, so I can't tell who's bankrolling this.

Given the blatant impersonation (they even copied the NRA website design), this must certainly constitute libel.

[–]Vayate 20 points21 points  (4 children)

Probably these guys. At least it fits their MO.

[–]SniperGX1 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I would have guessed it was http://www.ceasefireusa.org/

The NYC fake gun shop stooges.

[–]SikhAndDestroy 13 points14 points  (2 children)

It is them.

Check it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8j38_MkTbU

Edit:

I'm pretty sure this "Hensley Cocker" character is just Jacques Servin with a fake beard (doesn't match his salt and pepper hair and curliness is way too...uniform unless for some reason people perm beards now)

Servin (Left)

Cocker

[–]LonelyMachines[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Jacques Servin

That's him, all right.

[–]SikhAndDestroy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mystery solved I guess? He's not the type that does follow through.

[–]bambamtx 15 points16 points  (2 children)

It isn't "redacted" - they paid for domain privacy. A court order to the registrar will out the person who registered it real quick and if they didn't follow icann's guidelines for giving accurate contact information, they will lose ownership of the domain and it will be shut down. It may take time to work through that process though, assuming the NRA files a claim... But then these guys would just have to snag a new domain and redirect the site there, so it will just continue. But continually doing it could get them in major legal trouble.

[–]SikhAndDestroy 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Honestly I like the tactic. Very insurgent thinking.

[–]bambamtx 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm sure it could be very effective. If someone wants to track down the person who registered it they probably can. You could run it through an LLC or incorporated entity to mitigate liability OR set it up in another country or through a host that takes bitcoin.

[–]TA_Dreamin 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I hope like hell the NRA sues the fuck out of these twats

[–]WonderWheeler 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I hope Smith & Wesson does the same! They provided 3 links to smith & wesson firearms and imply that that company would support the deal. Kinda implies that their company makes saterday night special kind of stuff and that they are made cheaply enough to support Buy One Get One free kinds of deals.

[–]NavalMilk 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Reposting here for visibility: The Armed Citizen Project is not a hoax, and I have personally donated to them. (Admittedly it was about three years ago.)

[–]SniperGX1 4 points5 points  (29 children)

this must certainly constitute libel

It would be considered fair use because of parody and political speech.

[–]LonelyMachines[S] 35 points36 points  (15 children)

The difference is that they're actually presenting themselves as the NRA.

[–]well_golly 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Sounds like a trademark violation.

[–]TheSourTruth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I need to ask my friend who is a lawyer about this

[–]whubbard -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

And yet everyone here loves this poster, which is satire pretending to be Everytown.

[–]D0ctorrWatts 17 points18 points  (6 children)

I would normally agree, since this definitely reads like parody, but even the copyright and legal notices at the bottom say this page is NRA. That's gotta be illegal.

[–]SniperGX1 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yeah the copyright may be what gets them in court.

[–]SapperInTexas 15 points16 points  (4 children)

Impersonating the NRA may or may not be legal, but advocating firearms straw purchase is certainly a huge no-no.

[–]macfergusson 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Nothing is advocating a straw purchase that I saw...

[–]SapperInTexas 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Really? You missed this part, then:

  1. Buy a gun.
  2. Pick a place.
  3. We deliver a gun to someone in need.

If I'm not going to be the owner, and I don't know who the person taking ownership is, that's a straw purchase.

[–]macfergusson 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It's funny you should mention missing parts:

The Share the Safety Program will be available in most US states. Smith & Wesson online purchases, including those made through www.ShareTheSafety.org, are compliant with all applicable Federal, state, and local laws. During checkout you will be prompted to select the Federal Firearm License Holder (FFL) nearest you, where we will ship your order. We will contact the chosen dealer to ensure that the gun is compliant with Federal, state, and local laws, and that they are able to assist the transfer. You will be notified when your order arrives (Share the Safety handguns will be mailed by 2-day air). Simply go to the dealer with proper identification and documentation to show that you can legally purchase and possess the gun, as may be required by your state. The FFL dealer will complete a background screening using the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) as required. Then, take home your piece of history!

But at this point we're arguing over a fake website, so whatever.

[–]TA_Dreamin 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The fact that they included that proves how far they went to make their sham seem real. These assholes better get lubed up, the law is going to be pounding them hard and fast.

[–]bambamtx 6 points7 points  (2 children)

NOT if it isn't clear that it's a parody, and they can't use the logo which is a registered trademark.

[–]SniperGX1 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Yeah it looks like courts uphold that the parody of a trademarked logo must be modified in the parody and cannot be presented in its original form. So like if they made it say VPC instead of NRA but in the same font, color, and styling they might have been OK.

[–]bambamtx 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Right.

[–]DrSandbags 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's much more deceptive than a simple parody. They host the press release on nrapress.org, but all of the other links on the press release website are legitimate links to the actual NRA ILA website or external news sources. The way the release is written too is not obvious satire if you're not familiar with certain people and positions in the NRA. It's very subtle exaggeration.

[–]bottleofbullets 1 point2 points  (1 child)

They'll pull "satire" as their excuse and probably get away with it because despite being a direct impersonation and thus not "political speech", dumb people believe the Onion is news all the time, and that doesn't mean it's unfunny political tirade isn't protected as satirical

[–]TA_Dreamin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The onion also does not have copyright disclaimers pretending to be real

[–]wolfraisedbysheep 41 points42 points  (6 children)

Attempts to make fun of NRA; unintentionally makes fun of themselves instead by showing how much they hate the idea of armed poor people

[–]13speed 27 points28 points  (4 children)

The roots of all gun control efforts in this nation, first, Racism, second, Classism.

[–]wolfraisedbysheep 21 points22 points  (3 children)

Wow did you see the promo video at the bottom of this page?? It shows black people being chased by cops / arrested etc. Then it cuts to clips of happy black people shooting targets at the range, also with nice happy white people apparently teaching them how to use their new guns. Keep in mind this is supposed to be a joke parody of some "ridiculous" idea that might be put forth by the NRA... the idea of armed poor people, especially armed black people is a crazy joke to the creators of this website. The juxtaposition of clips of blacks being arrested and then blacks being armed has an obvious tongue-in-cheek connotation that arming more blacks will lead to more crime, or blacks rising up against the police. I'm sort of amazed that some people on the left are so inherently racist in their ideas, but I'm flabbergasted that someone could be so self un-aware to make a site like this that mocks themselves more than anything.

https://sharethesafety.org/media/

[–]Lapper 12 points13 points  (1 child)

It has the same air as that incredibly racist and classist rhetoric, "Don't you know that letting people have guns means black people will have guns?"

Uhhhh, that's the idea.

[–]scuba7183 5 points6 points  (0 children)

As long we keep them out of the hands of those damn Irish

[–]13speed 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If you think wealthy limousine liberals aren't racists, you've never met one yet.

[–]JimTokle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's what came to mind as I was reading it. These people are only making fun of themselves. Am I supposed to be outraged by poor people having guns? Why would this be an issue? Then I realized that it was made by liberal hypocrites who wouldn't understand the irony.

[–]nm8_rob 15 points16 points  (7 children)

Honestly the best response would be to embrace the concept and make it happen. Lower income families in urban areas are more likely to need to defend themselves than I would, so I don't see any problem in helping to defray the cost of a firearm as long as they qualify to legally own a gun.

[–]LonelyMachines[S] 5 points6 points  (6 children)

While your central point is true, notice that they claim the guns will go to "locations with highest incidences of police, security guard, and vigilante violence against unarmed citizens."

[–]nm8_rob 8 points9 points  (5 children)

It's funny how comfortable the other side is with presenting this kind of material as long as they're being 'ironic' or 'satirical'. I agree that this web site is awful in pretty much every way it can be, but I think that there's merit to the idea of helping responsible people protect themselves and join the ranks of gun ownership.

[–]LonelyMachines[S] 8 points9 points  (4 children)

It's funny how comfortable the other side is with presenting this kind of material as long as they're being 'ironic' or 'satirical'.

If someone on our side did that, imagine the backlash.

[–]SniperGX1 6 points7 points  (1 child)

We have substance though. This is all the anti gunners have left. Which is a very good sign.

[–]C0uN7rY 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haven't you heard? Reality has a liberal bias. /s

Must be why they need to create fake websites impersonating their opposition to forward their agenda.

[–]multi-gunner 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The political left has, to their advantage, been exploiting a general character trait on the right for decades.

That trait is shame.

Through the use of highly visible public shaming and outgrouping of those they disagree with, the left has been able to exercise a high degree of control over public policy discourse for decades.

[–]rf-engineer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yet when Hillary makes jokes about being on CP time, no accusations are made in the mainstream media.

[–]SikhAndDestroy 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Whois lookup shows this:

Registrant ID: INTEi8iz39thx8cv
Registrant Name: Domain Admin
Registrant Organization: Whois Privacy Corp.
Registrant Street: Ocean Centre, Montagu Foreshore
Registrant Street: East Bay Street
Registrant City: Nassau
Registrant State/Province: New Providence
Registrant Postal Code: 0000
Registrant Country: BS
Registrant Phone: +1.5163872248
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: sharethesafety.org-owner@customers.whoisprivacycorp.com

The NRA does not use a Bahamas-based whois anonymizer. They flatout list Fairfax, VA and a person for their registrant.

[–]SergeantTibbs 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Okay, so, let's check the list of things mentioned.

black people poor people high-crime neighborhoods

Check, check, and check. The idea is to make you think in your head that these guns will be handed directly to poor black criminals in Chicago. It's naked, obvious, disgusting racism.

Do they seriously get a pass on this??

[–]Lapper 6 points7 points  (0 children)

What's truly ironic is that poor, black people in high-crime neighborhoods are at extremely high risk of being victimized by violent crime, and police response times to these areas are the slowest—if the police even show up.

The fact that they're laughing about the idea of disenfranchised people protecting themselves is insulting and offensive. They definitely do not get a pass.

[–]SikhAndDestroy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

There are two notable Google Docs forms.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1sMNOcCcwu04xWWlTfT97CpUEt70Gx5yOkA3vIn5klM4

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/13WldXR7qbARYScFP-GID6Q5rSxpgG12Uoq_cudqqfo4

Unfortunately I don't think I can take a peek at the responses without some social engineering (I don't actually need the responses, I just need whomever made it to reject it and skyline himself).

Both are no doubt attempts to collect PII. They don't look very sophisticated. If you want to fuck with them, flood them with bad, but believable information (lol Feinstein). The only thing Google Forms tracks without your knowledge is the timestamp if it didn't come through email.

[–]SikhAndDestroy 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Interesting little tidbit.

Their email address is nominally "info@sharethesafety.org" but the actual link is "mailto:info@demolink.org" (basically Lorem Ipsum). This tells me that the website was based on a design template.

This shouldn't have slipped past a large shop. I'm going with a very small team.

[–]SniperGX1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Probably just a whiny college guy looking for a senior project.

[–]SikhAndDestroy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Eh, it's okay. Honestly it'd be faster to just farm this out to oDesk / Upwork.

[–]SikhAndDestroy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

http://imgur.com/a/uLEhL

The likes do not correspond to actual user involvement, where you'd see a right tail.

There's also a July 4th launch date.

I bet we could find that man on Model Mayhem.

[–]Vayate 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm 100% okay with this idea, assuming our recipients get heir guns through an FFL. The NRA's legal team probably won't be happy about these guys using their logo though.

[–]praiserobotoverlords 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I'd do it.

[–]puppetry514 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Actually I would too

[–]praiserobotoverlords 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If they are in "problem neighborhoods" then they probably need to be armed more than most. It should come with a gun safety/self defense class. Actually I really wish there were community outreach programs for gun safety that I could donate to.

[–]SmithWessonMP 3 points4 points  (0 children)

THE WORLD’S MOST PERFECT FIREARMS The M&P

I agree with this.

[–]atomic1fire 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I was gonna say that it looks like they're using google docs forms, but someone already pointed that out hours ago.

I do know they're using cloudflare, so it's probably a CDN.

Overall I agree that it's probably a static template, since there's no WP-admin folder. I guess they have a Google analytics number found in the sauce UA-79566961-2, but I don't think anyone can do anything with that unless Lawyers find it useful.

Since this is a public website, I doubt any of that is private info, and even if it was, you could verify details like a WP admin folder using the root domain's robot.txt file, which in this case doesn't exist.

[–]nivdes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looks like it's hosted on surge.sh. The domain has a wildcard CNAME record pointing to one of their servers. Only www and @ point at CloudFlare.

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    [–]LonelyMachines[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    bestpaidpornsites.net is one. We're getting closer, guys!

    [–]SikhAndDestroy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I think it's just a CDN / host. Nothing particularly identifiable there.

    [–]pongo000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Yep, it's a CDN.

    [–]brad_reloaded 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I have no words............... .....

    [–]hounddawg1776 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I'm sorry....what?! How is that a thing/do people actually believe that crap?

    Also is it not somehow illegal to invoke the names of the NRA/S&W without their permission? I feel like it is...

    [–]calibos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Why the direct link? I accidentally gave them a page view!

    [–]MWGND 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Fuckin' hell. When they aren't overtly lying, they're using dishonesty to appeal to emotion.

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    [–]AaronStack91 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

    You know it is fake because they show case a 1911 and Governor as self defense weapons.

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